Grappling with the Gray

Grappling with the Gray #80: Repaying bad with good?

February 14, 2024 Yonason Goldson Episode 80
Grappling with the Gray
Grappling with the Gray #80: Repaying bad with good?
Show Notes

Bruce Wayne tells Rachel Dawes that revenge and justice can be the same. Rachel replies:

"No, they're never the same, Bruce. Justice is about harmony. Revenge is about you making yourself feel better."

Is there ever an exception? That's the question the ethics panel takes up on this episode of Grappling with the Gray.

The following is a quote from ABC news online:

Three days after a jury awarded her over $83 million for Donald Trump's repeated defamatory statements, columnist E. Jean Carroll vowed to use the money on "something Donald Trump hates."

"If it'll cause him pain for me to give money to certain things, that's my intent," Carroll told George Stephanopoulos on "Good Morning America," suggesting she would create a "fund for the women who have been sexually assaulted by Donald Trump."

Without discussing the case, the decision, or the former president, how are we to evaluate the ethics of using restitution money for the expressed purpose of inflicting pain on the accused, or of withholding aid to victims of other perpetrators?

Presumably, anyone would find it admirable that Ms. Carroll intends using the money to help women who are victims of sexual assault. But is she essentially weaponizing the money to further punish a defendant already punished by the decision itself and, by doing so, depriving women victimized by other attackers of support they might desperately need?

Meet this week’s panelists:

Tim Hawkes is managing director of Unlimited Potential Coaching Specialists in the UK and director of global operations. He is an international speaker and works with organizations to develop organizational culture.


Sarah Kalmeta, aka Sarah the Pivoter, is a speaker, author and relentless truthseeker. She is founder of Pivot Point International, a high performance consulting company.


Jolanta Pomiotlo is Vice President of Information Technology for EXSIF Worldwide who manages innovative initiatives aimed at reducing operating costs, improving profit, and growing revenue.